rotating a floor plan to fit the multi-drawing.

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rotating a floor plan to fit the multi-drawing.

I am trying to wrap up a project and the house is just over 97' long and only 34' wide.  It is too long to fit on a landscape page, so I need to rotate it (or scale is down which I don't want to do).  I typically rotate the floorplan 90 degrees counter-clockwise so the front of the house is closest to the right side of my border/sheet.  However softplan isn't allowing me to rotate my 'notes' so that they can be read from the bottom of the sheet.  It appears to only let me rotate them so I need to rotate the plan 90 degress clockwise.  So I have 2 questions...

 

1) am I missing some setting that is causing my plans to autocorrect the orientation of my text?

 

2) Which way do you normally rotate a long house like this: clockwise or counter-clockwise? 

 

TIA

- Cory

Bill Wimberley
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rotating a floor plan to fit the multi-drawing.

When you rotate a plan the notes rotate along with it. For instance if a note was drawn with a 0 degree rotation and you rotate the plan 90 degrees counter-clockwise then the note would be changed to a 90 degree rotation.

There is no automatic way to change the note rotation. What I do in that situation is to edit one note and change its rotation to 0 degrees. Then I use Repeat Edit to change all the other notes as needed. This will likely mean that you will also have to reposition your notes as well.

When I rotate a house so that the front is at the side rather than the bottom of the page I always make the Front face the right side of the screen.

Another possible option, and you might not like it but I'm just pointing out that the possibility exists, is to break the plan up when inserting it into the multi-drawing. SoftPlan allows you to insert just part of a drawing into a multi-drawing. So you could for instance insert the house going from the Front to the point just before where it would be cut off by the edge of the border as one partial insertion. Then in another partial insertion include the part that was cut off. Not really a recommendation, just an option. To do this you would select "Display Portion of Drawing" when setting up your multi-drawing and then follow the prompts to select what you want to show.

While we are on the subject of rotating and multi-drawings there is an option when inserting a multi-drawing that allows you to rotate the inserted drawing. This won't fix your note problem but it can be useful if you know in advance that your house will need to be rotated for print. You could draw your house with the front at the bottom of the page but print with it facing another direction by selecting a rotation angle when inserting the drawing into a multi-drawing. If you know in advance you are going to do this then you can plan for it by making all of your notes rotated so they will be correct in the rotated print setup.

Bill is the owner and maintainer of SoftPlanTuts.com

cbe
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When you rotate a plan the

When you rotate a plan the notes rotate along with it. For instance if a note was drawn with a 0 degree rotation and you rotate the plan 90 degrees counter-clockwise then the note would be changed to a 90 degree rotation.

 

This is what I thought but my project (you have the drawing - 1229) doesn't do this for some reason.  I selected everything and rotated it 90 degree counter-clockwise using 'Rotate Block'.

 

You could draw your house with the front at the bottom of the page but print with it facing another direction by selecting a rotation angle when inserting the drawing into a multi-drawing.

I tried this but when rotating my plan so the front of the house is to the right of the screen (counter clockwise), my notes only wanted to be rotated 90 degrees clockwise so they would appear upside down when viewing it in the multidrawing.

 

Bill Wimberley
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Rotating the plan

The image you posted is the behavior I was referring to. When you used Rotate Block the house, including all the text, was rotated 90 degrees from the way they were initially drawn. You have to then manually edit the text and change the rotation for each text item that you want to rotate back to horizontal. You can do it for one note and then use Repeat Edit and click on all the rest of the notes that you want to rotate. Repeat Edit only works if you have not performed any other action prior to repeating the last action.

The Speed notes are slightly different in that you select Up Down Left or Right rather than an angle by default, although you can check a box that will allow you to enter an angle. Speed notes are not "notes", they are symbols so you would have to do the speed notes independently from the text notes.

If you are rotating the text to be correct for a drawing that is rotated in the multi-drawing you have to make sure that you rotate the text the right direction. If you select 90 degrees rotation when placing the drawing in the multi-drawing you are rotating the drawing 90 degrees counter-clockwise. So if you want the text to be correct you need to rotate it 90 degrees clockwise, or -90 degrees. If you rotate the text 90 degrees then rotate the drawing 90 degrees in the multi-drawing you are in effect rotating the text 180 degrees. That would make your text upside down.

In the image below the drawing was rotated 90 degrees counterclockwise. Then the text was edited and given a rotation of 0 degrees. The Speed notes were given a direction of Up. And then the text was moved to put it back in the correct location.

Bill Wimberley
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Rotated multi-drawing

Ok, so I looked at this again and rotating text to work with a rotated multi-drawing appears to be a bit funky. If you want to rotate a drawing so that the right side of the house is up then logically you would want the top of the text to be toward the right. Right? But apparently SoftPlan doesn't agree. It wants to flip the text. So for the text to be correct in a rotated multi-drawing it has to have the top of the text to the left. Weird, huh?

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Ah.  I misred your initial

Ah.  I misred your initial post.  Thanks for clearing that up.

 

Both ways seem kinda funky to me.  Rotating the drawing in the multi-drawing means I need the front to face to the left which isn't ideal, but I've actually seen it done before.  Rotating the items in the main drawing mean that SP thinks the left side of my house is the front, the front is the right, etc.  Is there a way to change this?  Thankfully my elevations are done and it isn't an issue, but I can see this being confusing. 

Bill Wimberley
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Front Back Left Right

Unfortunately there isn't a way to reconfigure which direction is the "Front". This exact situation is something I pointed out prior to the release of 2012 and I requested that they include the ability to redefine which direction was the Front. But that didn't make it into 2012. Maybe next time. For now if you are wanting to create new elevations for a drawing where the Front is not down just go by the arrows and ignore the labels.

Bill Wimberley
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Rotated Text

The text rotation is confusing. In this first example I made a copy of the text on the right and moved it over by the toilet. Then I used Rotate Block to rotate the text 90 degrees clockwise. Logically the top of the text should be to the right. But nayyyyyy...the top is to the left.

So, you would think that if you were to rotate the plan counterclockwise in a multi-drawing that the text would be upside down. Right? Nayyyyy again.

It's a good thing Spock can see this. He'd blow a gasket.

cbe
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hmm... thanks Bill.  That is

hmm... thanks Bill.  That is definitely good to know.