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ron2000ad
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Window openings with chamfered interior reveals

Hi

   I work in the UK & recently have had several jobs which require existing plans of older buildings which have chamfered walls to the interior reveals. I like my drawings to be accurate & reflect what is actually there but have found it difficult to achieve this particular feature with my best effort being attached but unfortunately it shows & prints walls used to construct the opening on top of the main walls I want to illustrate.

   Is there anyone who has already achieved this feature but in a much neater &/or faster way, I would be pleased to hear it as there is a good chance I may get more projects of this type from this particular client especially if I can produce the reveals as they are

              Thanks  

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Bill Wimberley
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Window openings with chamfered interior reveals

Ron, will this be just for the 2D floor plan or do you need to have this show in 3D and cross sections as well?

Bill is the owner and maintainer of SoftPlanTuts.com

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Bill

  Plan format would be good for now but I think ideally 3D might be useful, if at all possible,because this particular client has requested that in the past but I will worry about that later so 2D is fine for now thanks. do not want to put you to any unnecessary work as I can always ask if need be. I have up till now been able to satisfy his requirements but I think shortly I will have to up my game to keep him happy.

  I read your post re;your friend currently suffering serious health issues due to someone elses apparent error, sounds like he deserves better, so as a thank you to yourself for the help you give me on here I am going to send a gift to your friend Wally that may help him a little, so thanks Bill & I will let Wally know where it really came from, your willingness to help others, lets hope he gets some more & that the process of compensation does not drag out too long for him. I think I will enquire with my bank how I go about this. I will keep you informed.

   Look forward to hearing from you.

Thanks

         Ron

Bill Wimberley
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Window openings with chamfered interior reveals

Ron, I did some experimentation using V14 since that is the closest version to your V13 that I have installed.

You might try to make a "mask" to give the appearance that the window walls are chamfered.

First you will need to select a pen to use for your mask. Look in Drawing Options--> Pen Setup. Switch the list to All Items and look through the list of existing pen assignments. By default these are typically the lower value numbers. Select Configure Pen Styles at the bottom of the Pen Setup dialog. Select a Pen that was not already assigned to other items. For my experiment I selected Pen 15.

Click on the color next to the pen number. A color selection dialog will open. Select white as the color for the pen. In V14, white is located at the top right of the standard colors. Select OK to exit out of the pen setups.

Next I used Triangles and Boxes to create the mask. Using Triangles and Boxes create a shape that will block out the portions of the wall that you don't want to show.

Edit each shape and set the Texture to solid. Also change the Outline Pen and Texture Pen to the white pen number you previously set up. The boxes and triangles shown here have different colors assigned just to make it clear what I'm doing. The colors assigned do not make any difference when you print. It is the Pen assignments that are printed. Note that the additional blue box at the top was necessary to completely block out the window. On my system the opening pens are thicker than the wall pens and I was getting some exposure of the opening below. Your set-up might not need this additional box.

Finally, create a Symbol from these shapes and place the symbol on the wall to mask out the portions of the wall you don't want to see.

And this is the final result when you print it out.

Just remember that the Pen assignments that are created in Drawing Options do not affect any other drawings so you will need to make the same Pen settings on each drawing that you use your mask symbols on. You can also set up the pen in you System Options if you want this to be a standard for any new drawings you create.

 

Bill Wimberley
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Ron, Thank you for mentioning Wally. Your concern and compassion for someone you have never even met is inspiring.

If you don't know what Ron is talking about please check the Water Cooler section of the Forum. I have a post there regarding a friend of mine who is in need of some help to get him through a very difficult time.

Thanks again Ron. I appreciate you.

ron2000ad
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Window openings with chamfered interior reveals

Hi Bill,

thanks for your response to my post. I followed your method as described and created a symbol - no problem. Obviously from this I was able to import it into my drawing but I experimented myself a little on a different sized window to the one I had created .

  After placing the symbol on the drawing I then started to adjust it to fit the window size, but this then altered the angle of the chamfer of the window & proved difficult as well, as the edges of the symbol disappear when it is clicked on to adjust making location of the bottom of the angle difficult & of course when you alter one side it also has an effect on the opposite edge. This obviously means that several sizes of symbols need to be created to try to keep the angle of the reveal looking right on different sized windows although a little variation would be acceptable in most cases but for me I am not sure as I tend to be a bit picky about these things being right & looking right.

   Anyway what you suggested got me thinking, so I used my original drawing & created a mask for each of the 2 areas of brick I could not remove originally. This worked well, looked & printed good.

From this I took a copy and moved it left along my main wall, where I had guide lines for a wider window.

I placed the right side of the copied window on the right hand guide line.

I then broke the main wall between the left hand guide line & left reveal.

The block move was then used to take the left 100mm wall across to the left gide line & located. If the break line is on the guide line then the wall automatically cleans up.r

The left 100mm wall was then highlighted with the extend function & the 100mm window wall was extended to this point, followed by the interior sill line. The adjust function was then used to take the window to its full width.

Next the right hand reveal guide line was highlighted with extend & the main wall  to the left of this, left over from the break point earlier was tidied up.

 This has given me the effect I want & while I am not sure about which method would be easier or faster with the above method 3D can be used whilst it is a little untidy with the visible line it looks good in shaded mode, so achieves 2 jobs in one.

 This seems to be getting a bit long winded so i will leave it there but thanks once again Bill as without your original input I may not have got to this point-cheers hope you do not think I wasted your time.  

  I have attached the windows created using the above method. 

Regards

Ron 

PS Not sure that attachment has uploaded, if not will try again. 

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Bill Wimberley
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Window openings with chamfered interior reveals

Ron, I'm glad you found a solution that works for you. The file attachment didn't work but I imagine that was my fault. I clicked on the wrong thing and unpublished pretty much the entire site at the same time as you were submitting your message. It only took me about 10 minutes to get it all back but there was a little panic here at HQ when I saw that everything was gone. Please try your attachment again and I promise to not touch that button again. I hope.

Bill