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yvongonthier
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Window openings
SoftPlan Version:
2014

I have window librairies with hundreds of product codes. For my use, creating each window with different opening options (ex. fix, R & L) is not realistic. The problem is that if you have to make modifications or corrections to a product code (ex. size) in the system options, when you go back into an existing plan and update the drawing options for those product codes, the correction will be done only to openings that you haven't altered the hinge side making this tidious and risky if you don't edit each openings that's been updated. This is particularly critical for existing plans that you update at a later late.

 

Any feed back or suggestions?

Bill Wimberley
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Openings

Hello Yvon. There are only a few cases I can think of that would require L & R versions. Casement Windows and Face Sliding Doors come to mind. There may be one or two other types but I can't think of any right now. Other operable windows wouldn't have a L or R. Other doors can use the same door for either L or R.

One thing to consider is that SoftPlan's default Exterior Doors come with the "Prehung" option checked. I believe all the doors are set to L. The result is that if you place a R exterior door the Product Code becomes unchecked and the door is listed as "Modified" in the door schedule. What is happening is that the "Prehung" setting is saying that this Product Code only applies to the hand the door was defined as, in this case L. If you make it a R door then the Product Code is no longer valid. So if you were to take a R exterior door and check Product Code then it would switch back to a L which is how the door is defined. I have never liked that behavior so I have edited all my doors and unchecked "Prehung". This allows the doors to be either L or R and still have the Product Code be valid. And it also prevents the door from showing as "Modified" in the Opening Schedule so long as the Product Code remains checked.

Of course if you actually wanted to you could define separate Prehung doors for L and R doors. But that makes it more difficult because you have twice as many doors to deal with. Plus if you ever reverse the drawing you would need to go through and change all the doors to be the new hinge side after the reverse if you wanted to have the Product Codes turned on. Too much trouble for my taste. Removing the Prehung from the definition keeps that from happening.

So, if you have edited all your doors and removed the "Prehung" from the definition you can use this method to update all your openings to match your System Library openings:

  1. Edit any opening in your plan and uncheck Product Code.
  2. Select Repeat Edit (Box) and draw a box around the entire drawing in order to turn off the Product Codes for all the other openings.
  3. Go to Drawing Options⇒Drawing Library⇒Openings and select Reset All Libraries. Select "Yes To All" for any popups that appear.
  4. Click on the Cleanup button (or use Ctrl+C)
  5. Edit any opening in your plan and check Product Code. If you want the Product Codes to also appear be sure to also select "Product Code" from the Display tab.
  6. Select Repeat Edit (Box) and draw a box around the entire drawing in order to turn on the Product Codes for all the other openings.
  7. All of your openings in the drawing should now match the System Library opening definitions.

Note that if your System Library doors are set to "Prehung" you will probably have some of the doors change hinge sides to match whatever the Product Code was defined as. As stated earlier, removing Prehung from the definitions prevents this from happening.

If there was some other problem you were having that I did not address here please give more details.

 

Bill is the owner and maintainer of SoftPlanTuts.com

yvongonthier
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Prehung

Thanks Bill

Unfortunetaly, most of our windows are casements so that applies.

I had gone thru the exercise of removing the pre-hung for my doors before but just to confirm that I'm not missing something, pre-hung doesn't really have an impact when it's a combined unit? I had removed before the prehung for combined units hoping that this would solve the issue when I reverse a plan that combine units don't reverse but it didn't make a difference. Did I miss something?

Bill Wimberley
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Combined Unit

Hey Yvon, can you define what you are calling a "combined unit"? Maybe attach a sample drawing with a couple of examples that I can take a look at and see what the problem might be.

yvongonthier
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Combined units

I mean for example a door with sidelite(s) and/or transom.

Bill Wimberley
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Example

It would be great if you could attach an example. Your configurations are most likely different than mine so I would need to see your setup.

yvongonthier
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Example

Hope it helps and that everything is visible

Bill Wimberley
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Drawing File

Hey Yvon. What I meant was a drawing file, not an image. It can be something as simple as a wall with a couple examples of the openings you are talking about. That way I would have access to all your settings and can better analize what is going on.

yvongonthier
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Drawing file

Ok included. So presently, my exterior doors have 2 doors for the same as I need a left and right since they don't reverse when I reverse a plan. So I have to remember to edit my door when I reverse a plan.

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Bill Wimberley
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Emboosed

I see the problem. You've been drinking when you are creating your openings wink


EmBOOSED Elevation Opening

But seriously, I have run across this problem several times, but usually just with a single opening such as a patio door that has one leaf fixed and the other operable. It's not like I have the whole plan with combined openings. I typically use separate openings for the door and the transom and let SoftPlan automatically combine them together into Unit Openings on the drawing by making sure that "Exclude From Unit Openings" is unchecked in the Header tabs for the openings. It takes a little longer initially to place the openings but I don't run into the problem of openings not reversing. Also when you use Combined Openings the Opening Schedule lists the Hinge as NA. With individual openings the Hinge shows as L or R.

The only way I have found to deal with Combined Openings is to place a "no print" note next to the affected opening as a reminder to change the opening if the plan is reversed. A combined unit such as the ones you are using behave pretty much the same way as a Prehung unit except that they can be reversed without losing the Product Code. But the problem you run into is that you have both L and R versions of each opening so when you reverse the plan the Product Code becomes inaccurate if you then reverse the door swing. You may have the product code saying it is a L door when in fact it is a R.

yvongonthier
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Emboosed

Thanks. In Canada, we need our booze to keep us warm specially at this time of yeardevil