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Wall definition question part 3
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Having the same problem I had in this thread but none of the solutions seem to help.  

https://softplantuts.com/Forum/SoftPlan/SoftPlan/Wall-definition-question-part-2

I have tried doing the exact thing as mentioned but my bottom material on exterior wall will not sit down.  I'm attaching a picture of the wall and the definition. Any help would be appreciated if you see the problem.

Also you will notice that the solid stone side wall ends show on the front but I would like to have the front wall show all the way across.  How do I accomplish this?

 

 

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Bill, the wall definition

Bill, the wall definition looks fine to me so I'm not quite sure what the problem is. Can you attach the drawing file so I can take a look?

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I have attached it Bill,

I have attached it Bill, thanks.

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Cleanup

Bill, you just need to do a Cleanup on the wall. Apparently you drew the wall and set the height then realized that the stone was not set to fixed. Then you edited the wall definition and set it to fixed. But the wall that was already drawn did not automatically update. You should be able to use Ctrl+C to clean it up. If that doesn't do it then edit the wall, select the Common tab, then select Perform Item Cleanup.

To make the stucco go over the masonry on the side wall first switch to Framing Mode. Then edit the front wall and set the right side to be a corner.

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Thank you Bill, had me

Thank you Bill, had me scratching my head on that one.  I normally look for clean up or not but guess I didn't on this one.  You are correct about drawing the wall first then editing.  I just created the wall today and now need to adjust the height of the stone for the client.  I never would have thought to look at the framing on the other item.

Thanks again.

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Bill I gave the cleanup a try

Bill I gave the cleanup a try and it still isn't working.  I change the height of the stone and thought that might "unhang" whatever is causing this.  I'm attaching a different drawing.  On the left wall, the stone is suspended above the cap though I have it's vertical start at zero.  The cap itself adjusted down.  On the right gable wall I still have the stone fixed but when I went to fit to roof this is what I got.  Should I seek tech support?

 

 

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Cleanup

It is a cleanup issue caused by editing the wall definition after the wall was inserted.

Try this. Edit the wall while looking at it in 3D. While looking at the wall edit dialog select "Definition". Uncheck Fixed for the top two materials which are set to Stone-Natural. Close the wall definition. While still editing the wall switch to the Common tab and select "Perform Item Cleanup". The stone should drop back to the bottom of the wall. But it will be too tall. So now go back to the wall definition following the same procedure as above and check Fixed for the stone again. Then again select Perform Item Cleanup.

The wall with the stone following the shape of the roof has the same issue. If it is the same wall type as the one you just edited then a simple drawing cleanup should correct it. If it is a different wall type then follow the steps above for that wall as well.

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I'll give it a try Bill,

I'll give it a try Bill, thanks.

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Part 4 I suppose

This has me perplexed.  Getting the same thing as above.  The wall height change causes the entire wall to lift up except for sheetrock.  I was not able to get the above to work for me very well.

 

 

Bill Wimberley
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Perplexed

Hey Bill. Since you didn't attach the drawing I can only assume the problem is the same as before. You created a wall and did not check fixed then went back and checked fixed but the changes are not reflected in existing walls.

Also, make sure all plates are set to fixed. You have one plate that is not.

Try changing the affected walls to some other wall type. Then save and exit. Open the project again and change the walls back to the correct wall.

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Bill I tried all of that and

Bill I tried all of that and still get the same result.  Not sure what is going on.  These aren't new walls.  I created them in a thread back on Friday, 09/13/2013, "General question about walls" so they aren't new walls.  I have made adjustments to them as I've tried to make them do certain things like I'm doing here.  It's not that important on this project as I'm not rendering for the client and can adjust in the 2D.  It's just bothersome to not have it working as it should.  I'm going to attach the file if you would like to look at it.  This roof gave me fits and I started to post for help but worked on it most of the day and finally got it to do what I needed it to do.

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Follow steps exactly

Bill, I was able to get the walls to work correctly by following the method described in #7 above. Again, it all goes back to when you originally created the wall and you did not check Fixed for the materials.

 

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Bear with me here Bill.  I'm

Bear with me here Bill.  I'm not sure which materials aren't checked fixed that you are seeing.  I just opened the plan, used the edit command on the wall in question then definition and this is what I show.  Both stone materials fixed as well as all plate materials.  Are there more that should be fixed?  

Yesterday I did as suggested and then closed out Softplan and restarted.  Really scratching my head on this one.

 

 

 

 

Bill Wimberley
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Read #7

Hey Bill. Did you read and follow the steps in #7 above exactly? That is the same method I used to get the walls to show correctly in #12.

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Bill I had not tried the

Bill I had not tried the above method on this drawing as this was a new project and the wall had been corrected or so I thought.  I did try it and it corrected it. Thanks.  

Question for you, do I need to delete this wall definition and start fresh?  I started another drawing to see if I had to follow this procedure on it and I did so it appears I'll have to do this every time unless I change something.  Also, it appears the cleanup box, on the Common tab, when checked doesn't do the same as the "Perform item Cleanup".  Is this correct.

I appreciate your patience on this issue.  

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System Walls

Bill, if you do not correct your System wall definition then you will have the same problem on every new drawing you start that uses the bad walls. Just go into System Options⇒Define Wall⇒Edit and make sure that "Fixed" is checked for all the plates and for the lower stone or brick on your custom walls. If you do this then you won't have any future problems, assuming you don't create any new walls and neglect to check Fixed for the components that are to remain a certain height.

The Cleanup function in SoftPlan is a general cleanup. It will check and correct a lot of things. In some instances the "Perform Item Cleanup" will do a better job than the general Cleanup, although they both do essentially the same thing. The Perform Item Cleanup is just more targeted at a specific object rather than the whole drawing. So if the normal Cleanup does not work then you might try the "Perform Item Cleanup"