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Larry
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Trapazoid windows
SoftPlan Version:
2014

I searched and could not find any info on how to add trap windows in a gable, especially when they are over main floor windows.  Splash has an old post that says to add a separate wall over the existing wall and then add the windows.  I did, but it seems to be an ugly fix. 

Bill M
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Larry if the material in the

Larry if the material in the gable is the same as below then you can edit from a gable vent to an opening.   Bill W had helped me with this awhile back.  That is one scenario. 

You may have to draw the windows below in a different position and then dimension them in place.  I've had to do this before with placing transoms over windows where I drew the transoms as a different window and not adding them in the window edit dialog.  Hope that makes sense.

I recently did a plan with a siding gable over brick walls below and when I tried adding trapezoids they showed as square windows.  I ended up have to line draw them in for the elevation plan on that side.  Of course they didn't show in a 3d rendering.

Larry
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Tryin to get it to show up in

Tryin to get it to show up in 3-D.  Almost every cabin has these windows and I spend hours trying to get them to look right, and to the framer, they still aren't.

pdfrank
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Traps

Fit your 1st floor wall to the roof. (if you have a multiple roof planes, you may have to put roof planes that overlap the one over your gable wall on a different Building Option and then turn it off). Once the wall is extended to the roof, work on a set of windows for one side of the ridge at a time. Place your 1st floor windows on one side and then place the Trapezoid window that will stack over it on the opposite side of the ridge. Adjust the offset of the trap to get the bottom of it at the proper height. Also adjust the width and height of the actual trap unit. Now use the "Set Distance Between" tool to align the sides of the window. This will effectively slide the trap over to align with the lower window below it. Now select both windows (upper and lower) and miiror them on the ridge line. After the mirror you may need to do a cleanup on the wall and windows. It helps to have 2 monitors so you can keep an eye on the 3d while your working in plan view.

 

Hope this makes sense.

 

Phil

 

Bill M
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Larry I don't know if you got

Larry I don't know if you got this figured out but the attached is drawn as stated in the 2nd paragraph of my first post here.  I drew the traps first and dimensioned them to where I wanted them.  I drew the single hungs to the outside of the traps and dimensioned them to the same location as the traps.  The only problem this presents is this method places a mullion between the trap and the window below and if you remove the mullion it leaves a hole as seen. Possibly someone has a remedy for filling the hole.

I attempted the set distance between method that Phil had post but was unable to get it to work for me.  I'm sure I was probably doing something incorrectly.

 

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Larry
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Thanks everybody.  Yup, still

Thanks everybody.  Yup, still not happy with results.  I am trying both ways.  I looked at your download and it would work great with simple line work.

Part of the problem may be with my next topic post.

Mike Landry
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Trapezoid windows

Is this what you are looking for?

Larry
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No,I need the windows on

No,I need the windows on bottom and traps about a foot from gable ceiling and about 18" between bottom of trap and top of lower window 

Mike Landry
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Trapezoid windows

If this is what you are looking for I edited the lower windows and checked exclude from unit openings in the header tab.

 

Mike

Mike Landry
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Forgot to add the grilles

Forgot to add the grilles

Bill M
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Mike is that from the drawing

Mike is that from the drawing I posted?  If so I'll try what you did on my end.  

 

Edit: Thanks Mike, worked like a charm.  That helps me as many times transoms are used with a header in between windows in our area.  It is the preferred method.

Bill M
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Mike this also helped me with

Mike this also helped me with placing transoms/eyebrows over doors.  Appreciate it. 

Larry
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That is exactly what I am

That is exactly what I am looking for.  However, there is no check box in my window header section to Exclude in unit.  I am using 2014 and have all the updates?  I can see it in the model that was uploaded by Mike, but not in my projects.

Mike Landry
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You don't see this?   Mike

You don't see this?

 

Mike

JimJ
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Exclude From Unit Openings

The "Exclude From Unit Openings" check box does not appear until the opening is joined to another opening.