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Paul Tacy
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Spooky !
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Last night I tried adding a breezeway and garage to a saltbox I'm working on.  I created a Building Option to do this (bad idea, I now realize).  So I roughed in the walls, got the offsets where I want them, tossed in a few windows and doors to be edited later.  See attached jpeg of the layout.

Then I went to the second floor to add a multi-floor roof to the addition (still in the "Porch and Garage) Building Option.  To my surprise, the first floor didn't show up.  I tried to Overlay the first floor, and SoftPlan didn't acknowledge there even was a first floor.  Then I noticed that half the exterior wall (on the right in the enclosed partial second floor plan) was gone!  Notice that my reference point is at the corner of that missing wall - important?  All the while, the 3D of the house looks just fine.  The second floor wall was there, the porch and garage walls - just as I wanted them.  I shut down the program and then restarted it.  No change.  I gave up and went to bed.

Now the spooky part:  Today, I opened the project, and some gremlin had come in overnight and put a roof on the porch and garage in the first floor drawing!  I swear I never added a roof to this Building Option!  While the spook was at it, it added a first floor roof to the main house.  You can see it poking out like a skirt around the house in the attached 3D.

Just this morning I read a previous post by Bill W. regarding the problems using Building Options can cause.  Too late.  After reading that, I decided I'd just delete everything and start over.  That is certainly what I'll do!

I sure am glad I don't have to do this on the clock!

Paul

Bill Wimberley
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Building Options

Building Options can be a real pain if not used properly. I always recommend practicing on a test project to get a good feel for exactly how it all works before trying to use them on an actual project. They can be quite useful though. 2016 adds the ability to use Building Option groups and to have objects belong to more than one Building Option. While this adds another layer of complexity to the learning curve once you get a firm understanding of what is going on Building Options can be a really good thing.

In the past I remember someone wanted to put every possible option for multiple elevations and other options all in one Project. I suggested that was a really bad idea. But with 2016's grouping and sorting abilities it will finally be conceivable to do that.

Gremlins. Those guys can be quite infuriating at times. Just remember that Layers can hide things on the drawing but they still show in 3D. Building Options will hide things in both the drawing and 3D. Also remember when you are drawing that items will automatically be added to the currently active Layer and Building Option. So you may think that you are drawing normally on the default Layer or Building Option when in fact you are putting them on another Layer or Building Option.

You can look at the Build Options/Layer Bar to see what Building Option or Layer is currently active for new items you draw. Also note that the current Layer can be different for each mode. For instance you might have items you draw in Drawing Mode put on the default layer but in Roof Mode they could be drawn on another layer. I actually use that to my advantage. I have custom drawing modes for HVAC and another for Plumbing. I have HVAC and Plumbing layers set up. So when I am drawing in the HVAC mode items are automatically placed on the HVAC layer. And when drawing in Plumbing mode they are placed on the Plumbing layer.

 

Bill is the owner and maintainer of SoftPlanTuts.com

Paul Tacy
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Bill,

Bill,

Thanks for the input.

Actually, everything I do is a test.  With only a few month's experience with SP, and zero previous experience with any CAD, I'm still trying to learn, and wouldn't consider taking on a real project.  What I learned here is that Building Options are best left to those who know their way around.  Maybe someday.........

The whole Layer thing is very confusing to me as well.  Little by little, reading everything I can, and practicing every day I guess I'll get it.

Paul

 

Bill Wimberley
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Building Options

Building Options are a great tool. Don't give up on learning them.

It sounds like you are approaching SoftPlan about the same way I did when I first started. When I first got SoftPlan I sat down with the program and spent 10 hours a day for the first three months just learning the program. I went through all the menus dove deep into the settings and figured out what each of them did. I played a lot of "what would happen if I did this?" I looked at all the formulas in SoftList and figured out how it worked. And over time I figured it out.

Layers are pretty simple once you get the hang of them. What are you finding confusing about them and I'll try to explain.

 

Paul Tacy
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Bill,

Bill,

I will certainly not give up on anything.  I said I learned that Building Options should be left to those who know what they're doing.  I fully intend to be one of them someday.

It's not that I have specific questions about Layers or anything else, really.  I think I grasp the intent; it's just that I don't know what I don't know, if you know what I mean.

The way I started with this was to pick a rather complicated house plan which I had done on the board a few years ago.  I felt this would challenge me, and make me learn a lot of the basics.  When I got stuck (often), I'd start a new project and practice on the problem area there (creating new symbols, for example).  After about four months, I had what I consider to be a pretty good Plan Set of a complicated house.  By doing it this way, I learn, and in the end I have something to show for it.  Honestly, most of what I have learned and continue to learn has come from reading every single post here at least twice - that's what I do every morning with my coffee.

Again, thanks for being there!

Paul