Second story roof planing to bottom floor problem

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Bill M
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Second story roof planing to bottom floor problem
SoftPlan Version:
2014 Plus

I didn't have a problem with getting the roof to fit to the bottom floor but there is a soffit that I can't get under with the roof and it leaves a gap.  I have attached a photo showing the gap.  Any suggestions would be appreciated.  BTW this is the second two story home I have done and first in 2014.  I did start it in v13.

farwood
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seems like you can while in

seems like you can while in roof mode,    use "adjust and just pull that roof edge over.

Sometimes I find that if you edit the reference circle for this roof edge you can adjust the over hang to fix, and I think you can even do a minus overhang?

 

But what seems to always work is use adjust and grab the roof edge line (not the reference circle) and just adjust that roof over.             I don't do many texting or whatever,  what is BTW

 

 

rodl
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BTW

BTW = By the way

LOL= Laugh out loud

ROFL = Rolling on floor laughing

FWIW = For what it's worth

YMMV = Your mileage may vary

 

farwood
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not sure I'll use YMMV much

not sure I'll use YMMV much

Bill M
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I am able to adjust that edge

I am able to adjust that edge over but the problem is it moves the upper left edge of the roof beyond the ridge on the main roof.  I think in order to do this the ridge of the roof that is planing down needs to move forward but I'm not sure this can be done.  The right edge of this roof is a bull nose not an actual hip. 

 

 

Bill Wimberley
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Interesting roof problem

Bill, that's an interesting roof problem. I don't think I've ever seen that one before. But it is a pretty simple fix.

Draw the roof the way you had it originally so that the roofs overlap each other correctly. Then select the Add Roof Edges tool. Click somewhere on the roof that has the hole in it to select it and then with Snaps turned on start drawing from the top right corner of the roof hole. Draw over to the side wall and click then down the wall until you meet up with the roof again at the bottom of the hole. Then edit this new edge that runs along the wall and change it to a Vertical Pitch. This will fill in that hole by adding additional edges to the roof.

 

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Bill M
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Bill I played with that a

Bill I played with that a little but wasn't getting the desired result.  I'm going to finish this plan then I'll play with it some.  The add roof edges tool is one I've never used but will become familiar with.  Thanks.

Bill M
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Bill I was able to use this

Bill I was able to use this command today and on the same roof.  I was trying to keep the upstairs room from having to have a shortened wall where the roof extends down to the bottom floor so I did a double hip on the front, going from 7 to 10 pitch.  Where I used it was in front of the small room next to where I was trying to fill last time.  Worked great. 

Bill M
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The overlap shown in the

The overlap shown in the drawing apparently doesn't matter.  The 3d shows the roof blending together so that will work.  Thanks farwood.  Looking at the roof drawing like that I was thinking they wouldn't blend.

Bill M
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I do have one last question

I do have one last question that about a problem this roof created.  At the top of the wall that adjoins the roof, there is a gap created.  I have seen this for many years but since I never created renderings it didn't matter.  What is the best way to fill this gap?

 

 

farwood
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I'm not sure what is causing

I'm not sure what is causing that,  But maybe extend that wall further back.  it looks like the wall is just too short.

Bill M
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I did extend the wall back

I did extend the wall back but will have to remove it when I'm ready to create the actual plans as it appears inside the room that is adjacent. 

farwood
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You should be able to just

You should be able to just draw a little section of the same wall, don't extend it, but a separate wall that will show on 3d and then in edit on the wall mark hidden and it won't print out on any of the plan pages.

Bill M
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I did hide it after breaking

I did hide it after breaking it from the rest of the wall and it hid it on the 3d.  Not a big deal unless I try to look at the interior.

Bill M
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I used the method Bill

I used the method Bill suggested in post #6 the other day and posted about the success in post #8.  I am trying the same method today on the same roof and can't get it to repeat.  Any suggestion why?  Is the starting point important?

Bill Wimberley
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Roof edges

If you are working on the same roof I sent back to you when you shared the project with me you might be running into a Hole. I redid that section of roof but I was having difficulty getting the roof to clean up right so I used a Hole to cut out the portion of the roof that was going through the walls. If that hole is still there you might try adjusting it if you have changed something or just deleting it. If all else fails you can share the project with me again and I can take a look.

Bill M
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It's not a huge deal Bill but

It's not a huge deal Bill but I shared.  Look if it's not too much trouble.  The drawing shows a correct roof but not with a bullnose where the hip is at the top on the right side.

My builder's client wanted a bullllnose roof edge on the right hand side where the roof planes down.  I attempted to change the roof edge but it wants to center on the whole right side roof and not on the upper part alone.  I was re-drawing it and can't get the one small area to show when I add roof edges.  

Bill Wimberley
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Bullnose

See if that gets you what you needed. If you want the bullnose to be larger or smaller you can edit the bullnose edge and adjust the Distance setting.

Bill M
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That is exactly what I needed

That is exactly what I needed done.  Thanks Bill.  What did you do?  When I attempted to change as mentioned before it centered on the entire right side.  I would let me change to a gable up top though.  I tried that and then go to the bullnose but wouldn't allow it properly.

Bill Wimberley
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Bullnose

Bill, I think you just had too much going on with that one roof and it was confusing SoftPlan. You had 1 edge that was a double hip. Several intersections going around walls. An intersection that defined where 1 roof overlapped another. An intersection that allowed for filling in a gap. And 1 edge needed to be a bullnose and also created a gable going down the side of the house. All I did was simplify the roof by getting rid of some of these intersections and then cutting out a rectangular area using a rectangular hole. Once the roof had been simplified it allowed the bullnose to work properly.

Bill M
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Interesting, I could see that

Interesting, I could see that happening.  I thought it strange it would put a gable on where I wanted but not the bullnose.  I'm about a week away from finishing this project and maybe I'll play with it a little after that.  I have this entire project saved under a different name also.

Thanks again Bill.