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Bill M
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Roof help
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I had this drawing finished for the most part when I upgraded to 2014 from v13.  The builder's client decided to reduce the plan in some areas and this one is giving me a problem.  Upper floor room on the right is a media room and they wanted to remove 6' from the right side.  The roof intersected the wall fine in the initial drawing but now doesn't.  I looked at the possibility of planing the roof down from the upper floor but I don't believe that is a good option.  What might I do to fix the intersect at the moved wall?  I also have concerns about water draining across the front corner of the room. I know the area will have plenty of flashing but the siding is going to be cedar.  They may just have to make sure the cedar is well sealed.  I have attached three jpegs, one of the original right elevation and two of the current change.  

 

jimcrook@live.com
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Bill, I think you definitely want to get rid of that valley coming back in towards the wall of the house.

It's nothing but a leak waiting to happen in my view.

 

I would suggest placing an intersecting gable roof running 90 degrees from the garage roof running out from the

house wall to just past the peak of the garage roof.

 

You would have to extend the front wall of the house to fill in the triangle area to the right of the little balcony.  

The only real issue is the amount of height between the peak of the garage roof and the underside of the soffit

on the main house.  It would mean a shallow pitch if you wanted to stay below the house soffit  or better might

be to give it a decent pitch and let it spill up onto the main roof thereby creating some valleys ontop of the main

roof.

 

Just food for thought !

 

JimC

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Followup

In followup to my previous post there would be no reason you couldn't hip the outer end of

the roof  to be in keeping with the hip style on the main roof or as per original keep it as a

gable so when looking at the garage you see some gable end !!

 

JimC

Bill M
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Jim thanks for the input.

Jim thanks for the input.  Are you speaking of a gable that ends up over the garage door wall with the side hips being a shallower pitch?  I thought about extending the ridge of the far right gable back and possibly placing a saddle between the wall and the main garage roof.  This would still create a not favorable drainage area off the front corner.

 

I had thought of trying to plane the roof down but chapter 6 really didn't show a way to do that and if I could it would not land properly down on the lower floor.  

Bill M
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I think the only solution to

I think the only solution to this is to lower the pitch to 8.  I tried that and it intersects the wall below the soffit and moves the left side hip on that particular gable away from the corner of the walls.  Now the builder has to decide to lower all the 10 pitch areas to 8 or this single part of the roof.

Thanks again for the input.

 

farwood
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couldn't you keep the 10/12

couldn't you keep the 10/12 and make the left of the garge a hip and do a cricket, draining forward and back.?

Bill M
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I made an attempt to do

I made an attempt to do exactly that but couldn't make the ridge run all the way back.  It continued to intersect the wall and would only place a gable forward. I may play with some more tomorrow.

farwood
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I'm usually wrong on these

I'm usually wrong on these things, But I'd attempt to draw the roof behind the garage as a separate roof and draw the roof over the garage with the front gable as a separate roof,  Maybe you have it this way, but if not then you can edit the roof easier and the garage roof with the front gable, you can make the left side a hip roof and then use draw roof plane and put one draining to the front and then another roof plane draining to the back.  Then, i don't know might be say a 4/12 ?   Or it might be, draw a roof saddle that you would use, that's the ticket, I've never used add saddle but sounds like what would work for you.

Bill M
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After your post yesterday

After your post yesterday evening my curiosity got the better of me and I went in trying to do the roof again as you suggested.  I couldn't remember if I had attempted to make the left edge a hip instead of an intersect in my first attempt.  It was a partial roof draw and not the entire continuous roof on that side.  I had a ridge running all the way back but after a few edits here and there it moved to the wall and I couldn't make it stay off the wall. I was attempting to have that part of the roof stop at the back wall of the room it continues to intersect to. I know the roof should be able to work as you suggest but getting SP to agree has been a challenge to say the least.  I intend to work with it again later though the builder is ok with it as is.  The framer, who is the same framer I was using in my building business, may well tell his crew leader to do it with the saddle even if the roof plan doesn't show one.  We shall see.

Bill Wimberley
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Try drawing the lower right roof as if there is no upper floor. In other words, without the intersections going around the walls. Then use the Roof Hole to cut out the portion going through the walls. You could then put your saddle in between the ridge and the wall.

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Bill M
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Tried that as well Bill and

Tried that as well Bill and the entire left side of the roof snaps back to the right wall.