Plan Sets vs Multi Drawing

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Kelly Strickland
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Plan Sets vs Multi Drawing
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2014 Plus

Just starting to drive into 2014 and curious what others think about using plan sets as a replacement for multi drawing print sets? In 2012 I have a template that works great for printing plan sets using multi drawing. Sorry to sound negative, but so far I'm not seeing any benefit from using the plan set feature other than the auto number feature. What am I missing? Editing is a problem, it appears to be less flexible than multi drawing sets and adding things like revisions dates and other varying information found on the title block is difficult. My thought is to add the actual completed multi drawing (including the title block) to a BLANK plan set page???

 

Any insight or tips on how others may or may not be using this feature would be appreciated.

 

Kelly

farwood
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The only negative to plan

The only negative to plan sets I see so far is they are in black and white.     They seem really cool to me,  You get your title page from the "title block"file   there you can change the title block.   It has the whatever you would call it, like @date     and @name etc.

your information it pulls off of your info you entered in system options  -  company information, and the client/owner, it gets their info from the info you put into project information.    There's some creative ability there.   But it is  nice,   The little I've used it, I'd say it is really fast to be sending something to the printers.And quick to set the pages up.  Drag and drop and then just erase to get rid of.  A lot of just one motions.  change scale on any one drawing on the page is fast

Editing, you just edit the plan itself and it changes on the plan set.  On one plan set you can have 2 or more of the same drawing and can change the mode of each of these, like having a floor plan and also an electrical plan, framing plan etc. on the same plan set page.     there seems tobe    a bunch more neat things to plan sets.   I personally never really liked multis, so this plan set approach makes perfect sense to me.          But multi is still there.       It's a hit with me.

Bill Wimberley
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Display as Printed

Farwood, if you will edit your Plan Set and uncheck Display as Printed the Plan Sets will display in colors. You can also uncheck Display as Printed when you are creating the Plan Set.

Bill is the owner and maintainer of SoftPlanTuts.com

farwood
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great, thanks Bill, my eyes

great, thanks Bill, my eyes did not see that, print using screen colors.  That makes Plan Sets a perfect upgrade item!

Bill Wimberley
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Plan Sets vs Multi Drawing

Kelly, plan sets are a great improvement over Multi-drawings. But like anything new it takes a little getting used to. Most variable information can be set up using Information Stamps.

My only complaints are that you can not directly edit the drawings on the plan set like you could with multi-drawings. For instance if you have a schedule that you need to reposition you can't do it on the plan set unless it is on a separate drawing. My only other complaint is that there is some information that is not available as Information Stamps such as County, Lot, and Block. I had made a suggestion to SoftPlan that if they would allow for the creation of custom Information Stamps that would be tied to the Project Information then the latter problem could be eliminated. Perhaps that will show up somewhere down the road. As for the former problem I can get around that by moving the drawing into a new window on my second monitor and moving things around there and then the result shows up in the plan set on the first monitor.

But even with these 2 minor inconveniences Plan Sets are still a big improvement over multi-drawings. They just take a little getting used to.

Kelly Strickland
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Thanks for the replies. How

Thanks for the replies. How are you all handling things like revision lists in the title block?

Bill Wimberley
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Revision lists on title block

I don't link the system borders to the plan sets. Instead I have borders of various sizes and I will copy the appropriate size into he project. I add the border to each page just like any other drawing. Then I can edit the borders and add any information that will be common to every page directly to the border. A lot of the project information can be automatically included by using Information Stamps in the border. One of the great things about Plan Sets is that the Information Stamps will update on screen to reflect the way it will look when printed.

Kelly Strickland
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Bill,

Bill,

 

If I understand you correctly I think that we are on the same page. I still don't see the benefit of using plan sets that others see although some of the features are nice. If I am still missing something please let me know.

 

The only way that I have found to continue using my title block is to insert it as a drawing into a blank plan set. Using the info stamps is a waste of time if only 90% of what you need is available. Project information has to be initially entered at some point so I makes more sense to me to enter it into a template drawing and be done with it. Plan revision notes would be entered in this same drawing. With exception to page numbers and drawing titles all variable information needs to come from a single source and populate to all title pages.

Bill Wimberley
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Plan Sets

Yes, I use a border with a title block which I add to the plan sets and add the information to the title block.

Some of the benefits to plan sets are they are drag and drop assembly. Just drag a drawing into the plan set and drop it into place. You can edit the drawing and set the scale or use the adjust tool to increase or decrease the size. There is a readout that tells you the scale as you adjust the drawing. Moving items around is easy using the Move tool. The Align tool makes lining items up easy. If you drag an item onto the plan set name instead of onto the plan set on screen the drawing will be centered on the page. If you move Plan Set pages around within the set the page numbers automatically update to reflect their new position. When adding drawings you don't zoom way out and have a hard time positioning the drawing exactly where you want it like you do with Multi-Drawings. Setting a paper size creates a preview of how the drawings will be printed. You can add live 3D views, cross sections, exterior elevations, and interior elevations that can be updated as the drawing changes. If you decide you need larger or smaller paper size you can edit the plan set and change the size and it is changed for all pages in the set.

Plan Sets are a great addition to SoftPlan. It just takes changing the way you have done things before. It's like driving an automatic after you have always driven an standard transmission. They both get you where you want to go. It takes a little while to stop trying to use the clutch.

Kelly Strickland
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Bill,

Bill,

I'm having trouble correctly positioning the variable plan information that is added to the title block. For some reason when I add this info to the title block it does not align the same way that it did in multi drawing. Even when adjusting the ACTUAL drawing to the correct position, saving it, then removing and placing back into plans sets the problem still occurs. The scale is correct and there is also a paint break border that matches the title block and border to ensure that the drawing does not center on the title block. The items circled in red are from the drawing added to plan sets. Any ideas how to get the two drawings to correctly align?

Bill Wimberley
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Positioning text

Kelly, I really couldn't tell you without looking at the files and seeing how you are setting everything up. I would be happy to take a look if you want to send me the files. You can attach them to the Forum, email them to me, or if you have SoftPlan+ you can share the project with me.

jsmith800
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I'm mixed on the topic.  I've

I'm mixed on the topic.  I've done one plan using Plan Set then I realized importing a .jpg is not as simple as the multi drawing ability to edit as stated by Jim. So I did the next two in Multi Drawing which has been proven to work flawless for me.

The best solution for me using Plan Set is to have an additional blank drawing in the construction documents called Q2 or Q4.  I give a b/w quarter sketch on the front of all my plans.  I love SP 3d but they needed editing in PS...in my opinion.

If anyone has a solution on importing a .jpg to Plan Set easier please let me know.

 

 

John Vanderwoerd
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Adding jpg in Plan Sets

In order to add a jpg in plan sets, i have made up a new drawing and just labeled it '3D' or whatever you want. Now you can import a jpg into the drawing. Now add the drawing to plan sets.