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Gurb
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Need you expertise Bill

Hi Bill,

im having some crazy issues with this plan , its like a 1-1/2 story. the roof, floor system and stairs in particular are problematic.

also i get this message for the second floor that no load bearing wall are detected.but with this plan all the walls loadbearing walls on the right side are from the main level thus having a vaulted ceiling.

Help much appreciated.

Kindly,

Gurb S

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Bill Wimberley
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Problems

Gurb, I see a lot of problems here, beginning on the first floor.

It would appear that you are intending to come in the front entrance and the garage at a lower level and then step up into the living room. You do have 2 different floor systems to make this happen. However, even though you do have a Level 1 and a Level 2 they both have the same offset, thus they are both at the same level and there is no step up from one level to the next.

Your stairs would indicate that you are trying to step up 5'-7.5" from the entry to the living room and then another 5'-7.5" from the living room to the second floor. So that won't work. You'll need to adjust your stairs to reflect what you actually want to be happening between the various levels.

When drawing a floor plan in SoftPlan you need to approach it the same way you would if you were actually building the house. Each floor has to be build so the floors above will stack correctly. I would suggest concentrating on one floor at a time starting with the first floor. In the model area of the navigation pane make sure that the only drawing is the first floor. Create a 3D and verify that everything is correct. Look at the floor system, stairs, wall heights, walls are sitting on floors, beams are at the correct heights, etc.

Once you have the first floor set up correctly close the 3D window and add the 2nd floor to the model area so you have the first floor below and the second floor above. Create another 3D view and make sure that everything is lining up correctly, walls stacking, wall heights correct, stairs work as planned, etc. Once the floor systems and walls are correct then look at adding the roof.

If you approach your projects as if you are actually in the field supervising the construction of the home you will have a lot better success getting your designs to work. If you just start drawing stuff and hope for the best you may be having to spend a lot of time remodeling.

Bill is the owner and maintainer of SoftPlanTuts.com

Gurb
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Offsetting issues

Hi Bill,

Thanks for the advice

regarding "It would appear that you are intending to come in the front entrance and the garage at a lower level and then step up into the living room. You do have 2 different floor systems to make this happen. However, even though you do have a Level 1 and a Level 2 they both have the same offset, thus they are both at the same level and there is no step up from one level to the next."

 

however I am having tough times with offsetting the entry level.I read the book too but to no luck.the specs are such:  it is 4 feet below. to be specific the basement is 8 feet hight. the entry level is 4 feet from the basement height. then the main level is 4 feet higher than the entry level(  plus the floor system) will almost be 9 feet. could i get some help with that. tips would be greatly appreciate.

should i resend you the drawing?

 

 

Bill Wimberley
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Basement

Gurb, you didn't include the basement in the files you attached earlier. If you will attach the basement drawing here I'll take a look again.

Gurb
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Floor levels

Hi Bill

Attached are the 3 files

i have a few issues: any help would be appreciate.

 

1. the entry level 1 is 4 feet above the offset point of the basement. I am sure i need to create a cross-door buck for the entry level door, but because of offsetting troubles I cant.

 

2. the main floor level is 4 feet plus the 11n5/8 feet for the floor system.

3. Im also having trouble with the roof so i deleted it.

i followed your approach( thinking like im actually building it) modified it a bit

pls see the attaches files below.

really appreciated.

Kindly,

Gurb

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Bill Wimberley
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Help forthcoming

My apologies for not getting back to you sooner on this. It's been a crazy couple of days including a funeral yesterday and another one today out of town. I'll work something up for you this evening after I get back in town.

Gurb
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hope all is well

Hope all is well. my condolences to you.

No Problem, when ever you get the time.

Really appreciate it.

Bill Wimberley
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Foundations and offsets

Gurb, see the attached files for an example of how to figure the foundation offsets. I made some notes on the drawings about reference point placement and also showed how I draw out a section to aid in calculating offsets. Since I don't know your design intent for this house I didn't attempt to correct anything other than setting up the foundation and illustrating the offsets. I can tell you that your stairs won't work the way they are drawn but since I don't know your design intent I didn't attempt to correct them.

You will notice that the reference point location is on top of the higher basement walls. This sets the high basement walls as the 0 elevation for the floor above. Thus the entry which is 4' below would be offset down 4' and the main floor is offset 0". Since the first floor sits on top of concrete basement walls the floor system for the first floor would contain a sill plate. The upper floor sits on top of wood walls so it would not contain a sill plate. For the first floor I set the sill plate for Level 1 (the entry area) at 4' down and for Level 2 (the upper area) at 0".

Study what I did here and use it as an example for how to work with different levels and offsets as well as using reference points. Remember that the first reference point, the circle with the +, is special in that it will also control how floors stack on top of each other.

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Gurb
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Thx loads Bill

 

Hi Bill

I will be going home in an hour and will study it. I'm excited. I will touch base with you once I'm study your notes. 

Kindy

​Gurb 

Gurb
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roof on the house

Hi Bill,

thx loads.

has quick question on the bsmt cross sections. did you draw it  or reprpduce it using a command?

also could u pls add a roof on the house for me.I tried but doenst work.

 

Also what flaw do you see in the stairs as you had mentioned " it wont work" pls feel free to make any changes as this is close to what i will be building so any changes by you to make it work would be really appreciated. im trying to iron out the details so  when i give to you for designing there will be less of " you design n let me review it" I am taking this as a learning experince so a couple of years down the road i can draw full simple houses.

kindly

Gurb

 

 

Bill Wimberley
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Stairs and such

Well you have 2 sets of stairs on the main floor, both of them going between the entry and the main floor. You don't have anything going from the main floor to the upper floor. I would need to know more about the various levels you are intending before I could give much more help with the stairs.

The basement cross section is something I drew up with lines. Just something I did to get a better idea of what was going on as far as offsets for the floor systems.

A roof is a function of the walls that support it. Since I don't know what your wall heights are suppose to be or what you want the roof to look like I don't know where to begin putting a roof on it. I could put some kind of roof on it but I don't know what style or pitch or overhangs or anything that you are shooting for with the roof. If you will provide a drawing with more information of what you are wanting I can take a look at it again and see what it would take to get it there.

Look at the house one level at a time starting at the basement. Place just the basement in the model area and generate a 3D view and verify that the basement is correct. Then add in the main floor and generate a 3D view. Adjust wall heights, stairs, and everything else on the main floor until it is the way you want it.

Then add in the upper floor and repeat the process. Once you have all the walls, stairs, and everything else the way you want them then try adding on the roof. Remember that building a house in SoftPlan is just like building the real thing. If your walls are not positioned correctly and with the proper heights you won't have anything to support your roof so get your walls right first then try putting the roof on.