Drawing too large for 24"x36"

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Bill M
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Drawing too large for 24"x36"
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I thought I had retired completely but it appears that isn't happening so hello folks.  I am completing a set of drawings that will not fit on a 24"x36" sheet.  Is the quick table of scales that Bill has on here the best way to scale down the size of the drawings?  I did an internet search and found a thread where Bill had cropped the drawing but I don't believe that will work in this case.  Advise would be appreciated. 

Edit: Those tables are for different drawings of different scales on the same page so I don't believe that is a solution.  If someone can point me in the right direction I would appreciate it.

 

Bill Wimberley
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Scales

Hey Bill. The scale tables are only needed if you are using Multi-Drawings. If using Plan Sets you can simply select the scale you want the drawings to be by right clicking the drawing on the Plan Set page, select Edit, then set the scale. The scale tables were taken directly from the SoftPlan Help file so if you need information on how to use them for Multi-Drawings you can do a search in SoftPlan Help for "drawing scale" and then read up on the subjects listed under "Adding a Drawing to a Multi Drawing" and "Multi Drawing Scale Information".

Bill is the owner and maintainer of SoftPlanTuts.com

Bill M
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Thanks for the reply Bill.  I

Thanks for the reply Bill.  I really thought I was on my out so never learned to use the plan sets feature.  The way things are looking I think I need to do this.  I have used the help tables you published many times so figured out that these were of no help to me.  

Is there a table anywhere if one resizes a drawing, let say by half, that shows the scale of the resized drawing?

I did find a title block page I had developed for a 36x48 page that I had to use on one occasion.

I'll do a search on here to find info on plan sets.  Thank you again.

Bill Wimberley
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Plan Sets

In my opinion Plan Sets are one of the absolutely best features that SoftPlan has ever introduced. I hated Mult-Drawings from day one and figured there had to be a better way to set up pages. Once you get your head around how Plan Sets work you will never go back to Multi-Drawings.

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Thanks again Bill.  I found

Thanks again Bill.  I found the video on plan sets and will watch it and give it a try.

Bill M
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I can tell after watching the

I can tell after watching the video, I am going to like using plan sets very much.  I can be very hard headed sometimes and set in my ways.

Bill M
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I think I noticed that the

I think I noticed that the title block can't be changed after the fact using plan sets?  Do others make custom pages?

Bill Wimberley
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Title Blocks

You can use Information Stamps to insert any variable information into your Title Blocks. For instance here is my raw Title Block with the Information Stamps.

Pertinent information is entered into the Project Options for each Project. SoftPlan then automatically inserts that information into the Title Block by replacing the Information Stamps with the information from the Project Options. In this example you see that most fields show that they are project specific. There is an info stamp that enters the Page Title, which is the name that is given to the page. Other stamps include the date, the page number within the Plan Set, and the total number of pages included in the plan set. Since SoftPlan does not allow us to create our own custom Information Stamps I have repurposed a couple of them. For example I am using the mobile number for the project to represent the job number and the project email to represent the name of the person who drew the plans, in this case me. The Area table is actually a separate drawing that contains nothing but area information. This drawing is inserted into the the page and moved into place to form the area schedule. To update the areas if necessary all I have to do is edit the Area drawing and it then updates all of the pages in the plan set. The result looks like the Title Block below. In this example you can see that this is the FLOOR PLAN. That field pulls the name from the name of the plan set page. It also shows that I drew the plan and that this is page 1 of 11 total pages in this plan set. So I don't make any changes at all to the Title Block. I make my changes to the Area drawing and to the Project Options and then all the Title Blocks are automatically populated for me.

 

 

Bill M
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Bill I wonder if you might

Bill I wonder if you might shed a little light on how you set up the area section of your block.  Also, can the area be set to round up or down?  I looked all through system options and didn't find anything.  Plan sets are certainly making life easier.  Thanks.

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Area

The Area section of the Title Block is just a blank space. Each project contains a drawing called Area. This drawing contains all the text that goes in the Title Block. I then insert this Area drawing into the page just the same as you insert any other drawing. The end result is that every page has the Area drawing inserted and moved into the empty box in the Title Block. So any changes on the Area drawing show up on every page.

I don't have to do this for every project because I create all of my projects from a starter project. My starter project is one in which I created a Main Floor drawing that is all set up with all the typical notes and symbols I normally use but no actual floor plan drawing. It is just a starting place. I also create all the pages for the Plan Set. Each page is set up with the Area drawing placed in the Title Block and blank drawings set to the appropriate mode in the page. So for instance I have a Floor Plan page and the blank Main Floor is inserted in Drawing Mode. Similarly I have pages set up for Ceilings, HVAC, Plumbing, etc. with the blank Main Floor inserted and set to the appropriate mode. There are other pages set up with things like blank Front, Back, Left, and Right elevations. So all my pages are set up so that as I am creating my drawings the Plan Sets are automatically being populated.

Each of my Projects has 4 Plan Sets set up this way. I have an Appraisal set which is simply a stripped down floor plan the sales people use. There is a Plan Review set which a minimal set. Then there are Pre Construction and Final sets.

All of this is set up just one time in the Starter Project. When I need to create a new Project I open the Starter Project and use File⇒Save⇒Copy Project to and make a copy of the Starter Project with the name of the new drawing. Then switch to the new Project and everything is already set up and ready to go.

You can also save Plan Sets as Templates that you can then use to create new Plan Sets in your Projects. Say for instance you sometimes have to create Site Plan but not always. You might create a Plan Set Template for a Site Plan and then when you need to create a Site Plan page you can just use the Template rather than having to set everything up again.

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Rounding Areas

I neglected to answer your question about rounding areas. 2016 has a setting for rounding areas in the Area schedule. I don't recall if 2014 had this setting or not.

 

Bill M
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Bill thank you for the

Bill thank you for the additional information.  It will be very helpful to me.  I'll check in 2014 to see if the rounding dialog is there.

rrubinski
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Plan Set

Bill, I can't get @PG# or @PLAN_SET_PAGE_NUMBER to show up on the plan set. @T#PGS show up.

HELP

 

Thanks

Rick

Bill Wimberley
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Information Stamps

Hey Rick. @PG# and @PLAN_SET_PAGE_NUMBER are actually the same thing. The @PG# is just a shortened version which I believe was added in 2016 or maybe 2014. They both pull their information from the automatic page numbering that the Plan Set assigns based on the page order within the Plan Set. These numbers automatically adjust if you drag the pages to a different location within the Plan Set. Having said all that, I'm not quite sure why the numbers are not showing up for you. You might check and make sure each of your information stamps are on a separate note all by themselves with no additional spaces or lines within the note.

rrubinski
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Plan Set

They don't display on the Plan Set Page, if I add a space then it shows up as a regular note.

Bill Wimberley
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Setting

Right click the page name within the Plan Set. Make sure that "Page Number/Include in Drawing Schedule" is selected. If it is selected then you should see numbers next to your page names and also the Info Stamp should show the page number.

 

rrubinski
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Page Stamp

Bill, that was it.

 

Thanks again

rrubinski
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Area Schedule

Bill, did you use an Area Schedule or @area stamp for the Plan Set?

 

Thanks

Rick

Bill Wimberley
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Area Drawing

Rick, I generated an Area Schedule and then copied the information to a drawing named Area. Please see #10 in this discussion. https://softplantuts.com/forum/SoftPlan/SoftPlan/Drawing-too-large-24x36#comment-3682

rrubinski
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Area Schedule

Bill, do you your plan set border and name it Area, ect. and change the Border Lines to Paint Break Lines? Is that how you make your template? Could you upload a Screen Shot  of your Area Drawing?

 

Thanks

Rick

Bill Wimberley
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Area

I have a drawing in each Project named Area. The only thing in the Area drawing is area information as shown below. This Area drawing is inserted into each page just like any other drawing and moved into the space left in the Title Block. If you look at my Plan set you can see that Area is included on each page. Then I simply edit the Area drawing and enter the correct areas from the generated area schedule.

 

rrubinski
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Area Schedule

I think I got it. Do you drag the Area Label off of the Printed Area or is there a way to remove it?

 

 

Thanks

Rick

 

Bill Wimberley
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Removing Labels

To remove the Labels and Scale from a drawing on a Plan Set Page simply right click the drawing on the page. Select the name of the drawing and select Edit. Switch to the Label tab and uncheck Label.

 

rrubinski
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Area Schedule

Thanks again Bill

Bill M
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Good information Bill, thank

Good information Bill, thank you.   I have builders that request their logo be on the plans.  Is there a way to insert that?  Make a logo it's own drawing so it can be placed then moved?

Bill Wimberley
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Logos

Something like a logo or builder address and information can be subject to change. And when it changes you want to easily change it on all your drawings for that builder without having to do it on each and every one. Using a separate drawing for the logo would require you to edit that drawing on every project to make the change. What I do is just create a separate border for each builder. The border includes the Title Block, builder information, etc. The borders are stored in the Title Block folder. And each Plan Set references the appropriate border within the Title Block folder. So if something changes for the builder I simply edit their border drawing in Title Block and that updates all of the borders for that builder everywhere.

rrubinski
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Plan Set Page

Bill, I know this has to be a simple question, but how do you add a Title Page to your Plan Set?

 

Thanks

Rick

Bill Wimberley
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Title Block

Right click the name of the Plan Set. Check the Border box. Select the border. This will set a border for all pages. Then if you need a different border for a particular page you can edit the page in a similar manner and change the border for that page.

 

rrubinski
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Plan Set Page

Thanks Bill

Bill M
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First plan set complete and

First plan set complete and was a breeze.  Simplified everything once I found my way around.  Able to fit and easily scale a set of large drawings.  

Now to really customize my titles and use the info stamps.  

Thanks again for the help and the push Bill.  This method is just too easy.