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yvongonthier
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Creating 3D cabinets
SoftPlan Version:
2014

Hi

To create my own custom tall cabinet (pantry/microwave unit), I use a base cabinet, a wall cabinet (open cabinet for the microwave) over it and then a standard wall cabinet on top. Can I generate a 3D model of this combined unit in Softplan or saving it as a dxf to create a single 3D to attach to the 2D in the tall cabinets? I had created something in the past in older versions by drawing the front elevation of the unit but in the 3D it would just be a box with the image of the front elevation on it not having any depth, so no depth at the open cabinet and not real doors on the others.

At the same time, do others have problems with the continuity of the crown and light valence when you have uppers of different depth?

Thanks

yvongonthier
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I found in the system options

I found in the system options-system library under "Configure Cabinet Face Style" where I insert the front elevation for my custom cabinet. Then, I was able to assemble in the "Configure Cabinet Face Layout" in "tall" the 3D of my cabinet. Now, when I go into the Cabinet Face Style symbol, I click on the link to 3D Symbol but can't access the right Symbol Folder.

Bill Wimberley
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Cabinets in 2014

Yvon, cabinets in 2014 are a lot different than in previous versions. In previous versions if you wanted an oven cabinet you had to stack several cabinets together. 2014 came out with a way to define cabinets, much the same way you define a wall. I've been thinking of creating a tutorial about the new cabinet system but haven't had anyone asking about cabinets and just haven't got around to doing one.

SoftPlan comes with several oven cabinets pre-configured that you can use as is or make your own configuration. The oven cabinets are hard to find though. The reason is that when you are selecting a Face Layout they don't show up unless you uncheck Doors and Drawers. When you click on the selection box for Face Layout you get a dialog that you can choose the door count and drawer count that you are looking for. This is actually a filter that filters all the various choices down to just the number of doors and drawers you are wanting. But oven cabinets are more complex. They can have doors, openings, and drawers. So to access the oven cabinets you have to uncheck both doors and drawers in order to see the entire list. The problem is that there are a huge number of choices and this makes the ovens sort of difficult to locate.

What I have done to make the oven cabinet face layouts easier to find is to go to C:\SoftPlan2014\Cabinet Face Config and create a new folder called Oven. I then moved all the oven configurations from the Tall folder into the Oven folder. The oven layouts have names such as 2 door - oven - 2 door.spy.

Now when I uncheck Doors and Drawers to see the whole list all the oven layouts are grouped together under Oven.

If you want to create your own custom configuration you would click on the Face Layout and then in the bottom left corner you will find "New Layout". This is similar to when you are editing a wall and you can select "Definition" to access the wall definition dialog. In the Configure Cabinet Face Layout dialog you build up your cabinet similar to the way you would build up a wall definition. You can select whether you are wanting to design a Horizontal or Vertical cabinet, add parts, remove parts, select the type of part, give each part a height, determine if the part is a fixed height or if it scales when you adjust the height of the total cabinet, determine if the part is workable or false (this adds or removes the knob), and you can reverse horizontally or vertically. Once you have built up your cabinet definition you save it with a unique name and you can use it in any of your drawings.

Give the new cabinet system a whirl and see if that gets you what you are needing. If not then I can try to help you get what you are needing.

Bill is the owner and maintainer of SoftPlanTuts.com

yvongonthier
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Creating vanities

I'm trying to create a vanity style that is not in the standard or existing manufacturer's. I can build a new cabinet from the of the which is a bit like assembling a custom opening but the is not as simple if you want to add a side module followed by a top module.

I'm basically trying to create a vanity with 2 doors with 2 drawers next to it topped with a single continuous false sink drawer.

Any ideas?

Thanks

Bill Wimberley
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Sketch?

Yvon, I'm having a difficult time following your question. Can you provide an elevation sketch of what you are trying to build?

yvongonthier
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Elevation

Yes, included is the front elevation o fthe vanity I'm trying to create.

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Bill Wimberley
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Cabinet

Yvon, that would actually need to be 3 cabinets. A double door with no drawer, a double drawer, and a single drawer "Desk" cabinet. Reduce the height of the first two cabinets and remove the countertops from them. Place the desk on top of them. Verify in 3D that you have the cabinets set properly then create a symbol, drawing the symbol definition box around the stacked cabinets. You can then insert the cabinet as a normal symbol and if you want to edit any of the sizes you can explode the symbol back into the original cabinets.

You "could" create the lower portion as a single cabinet but you wouldn't have the ability to edit the width of each portion individually. If you leave the sizes variable then both sizes would adjust to be the same size. If you make one side "fixed" then you lose the ability to adjust the size of that side.

The problem you are running to with this cabinet is that SoftPlan allows you to create a custom definition that is stacked either horizontally "or" vertically. But you are trying to create a cabinet that is stacked both horizontally "and" vertically.

yvongonthier
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Symbols inside of symbols and 3D

Interesting. After all these years, never knew that you could create a symbol with symbols inside it and that they would retain there 3D attached to them.

Works for the vanity but only 2 warnings I would offer to others:

1- Don't create the symbol from a floor plan with a floor system or it has to be beside it because it keep the height reference that the vanity was drawn at meaning the offset height of the floor system will be imbedded in it even if it shows 0.

2- The sink can't be inserted seperately because it will not cut the counter because is not really a counter anymore. When I was building mine, I tried to insert it as part of the symbol but the sink didn't come out at the right height (I could see it inside the vanity thru the crack between the 2 doors) but you can't adjust it because it part of the symbol. This again because my vanity that I was creating the symbol with was over my floor system affecting the offset references.

So, my suggestion, create these symbols inside of symbols on a new blank page.

Bill Wimberley
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Cabinets in Symbols

Yvon, you can create symbols that are a mixture of symbols, cabinets, and electrical. This is a cabinet I built for a project I'm currently working on. I made the upper portion in Sketchup. It is all one unit, including the mirrors. The cabinets are SoftPlan cabinets. And the can lights are SoftPlan Can Lights.

I created the upper symbol using the symbol wizard, linking to the Sketchup model and setting it to Stacked. Then created the cabinets in SoftPlan and placed the upper symbol on top. I then switched to Electrical Mode and placed the can lights. Then created a symbol that contained the cabinets, upper, and lights.

 

Mike Landry
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Bill, your knowledge of

Bill, your knowledge of Softplan is truly amazing!

 

Mike

Bill Wimberley
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Additional information

Here is some additional information about the new cabinet system in 2014

http://softplan.com/2014_Cabinets.html

http://softplan.com/SoftPlan_2014_upgrade_page.html (scroll down to the cabinet section)

yvongonthier
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Thanks Bill for the good info

Thanks Bill for the good info. I created a few units this afternoon and found that it was easier to create a new folder under "Manufacturers" and build the units directly in that folder. Did you find any issues with the crowns when you have cabinets of different depth and valences when you have cabinets of different heights (example at stove)?

Thanks

Bill Wimberley
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Crown and Valances

No, I haven't had any problems with crown and valances on cabinets of different heights or depths. How are you adding your crown and valances? Are you editing the cabinet and selecting Accessories? Did you add your cabinets individually or did you use Auto Cabinet. Personally I never use Auto Cabinet unless I just want to quickly show some cabinets. If I am showing an actual cabinet design I place all the cabinets individually after sketching out the various sizes and placement. Auto Cabinet tends to add in a bunch of fillers that I don't want.

yvongonthier
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I build my kitchens with

I build my kitchens with individual cabinets (not auto) and add the crown and valence with accessories. It just get for example, at the stove location, the valences don't return on each side of the lower cabinets. I'll have to experiment a bit more.

Bill Wimberley
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Valances

At a stove location wouldn't you typically have a vent hood or microwave rather than a valance? But to answer your question the valances appear to be returning just fine.

 

Bill M
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Good information in this

Good information in this thread on creating oven/microwave cabinets.  Thanks.

yvongonthier
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Cabinet accessories and end panels

Yes I have a hood fan at the stove so no valence at that location but have a valence on each sides of the lower cabinets. My valence wasn't returning on the sides until I unchecked the clean-up box for the cabinet above the stove.

For those who this might help, it took me a while to figure out that when they mention that they added end panels to the options so you could for example add a panel beside the frig that they aren't refering to the end panels check box (left or right panel) in the cabinet run. I knew that you could with this option add a false panel to the side of your cabinet but taught you could also change it to a full height panel. What they actually added is that when you draw you cabinet on the floor plan, in the type "Tall" under shape, you can select "End panel" which basically is a fill panel.

Now, one thing that hasn't changed is that the wall cabinets don't take in consideration that end panel so you have to uncheck the clean-up box for the cabinet over the frig otherwise when doing clean-up, you wall cabinets will move to attach together ignoring the end panel.