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DamonB
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Building Options Linked

Hi,

I have 2 attached garage building options of different widths. One is a copy of the other. I have found that they are linked. When one is moved the other moves even when the option is turned off. I have ungrouped them all and even with group turned off they are still connected. What would cause this?

 

Thanks,

Bill Wimberley
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Damon, can you provide the drawing you are having the problem with? Off hand I can not think of what would cause the behavior you are describing other than having the items grouped.

While we are on the subject of Building Options, I am curious why you are using Building Options so extensively rather than having each option saved as a separate Project. In my experience it is much easier to maintain multiple projects than it is to jump through all the hoops necessary to keep multiple options all in one file. While Building Options do have their place, the complexity they create is usually much more trouble than they are worth.

Bill is the owner and maintainer of SoftPlanTuts.com

DamonB
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Bill

I have attached the Project. The options in question are the Elev. A 19' and Elev. B with 1' wider garage. (There are only 3 options with any items.)

This base plan needs to have 5 different elevations, 3 different second floors, 3 different main floors and 4 different garage widths.

What is the best way to structure that using different projects, different drawing or building options? I want to duplicate as little work as possible. 

Thanks,

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Bill Wimberley
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I can't replicate the linked behavior you are describing. Is this happening when you Move an item or when you Move Block? If it is when you are using Move Block try activating the "Visible Only" option.

This base plan needs to have 5 different elevations, 3 different second floors, 3 different main floors and 4 different garage widths.

Wow, trying to do all that with Building Options would be a nightmare!

What I do is to create a separate Project for each version. I draw up one plan and then copy the entire project and make the changes to create the alternative plans.

The folder structure would look like this:

Tofino

Tofino Elev A
Tofino Elev A Wide Garage
Tofino Elev A Alt Upstairs
Tofino Elev A Wide Garage Alt Upstairs
Tofino Elev B
etc...

Building Options are not meant to be used for keeping a dozen or so different plans all in the same file. If you try using Building Options that way you will most likely spend all of your time trying to keep everything organized and going back and fixing things that got jumbled up when you make an adjustment to one version and it affects other versions.

DamonB
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Hey Bill,

Thanks for all your help. It's good to talk about this stuff earlier than later for sure. Lucky for me I am at the stage to make those decisions right now.

My major issue is drawing and maintaining the same garage and elevation options 5 times. So the first issue is that there are very many permutations the way you describe. Inside garage, outside garage, mix and match main and second floors. I do think drawing one layout and copying it is great for reduction of work.

If I was to separate all the options into drawings within a project so I could mix and match main and second floor option drawings into the model. Would that work? I'm not sure how the options would work mixing floors.

Tofino.spp

    -main floor opt#1.spd (including bldg. options for garage width/elev.)

    -main floor opt#2.spd (including bldg. options for garage width/elev.)

    -second floor opt#3.spd (including bldg. options for garage width/elev.)

    -second floor opt#4.spd (including bldg. options for garage width/elev.) 

    -bsmt floor opt#1.spd (including bldg. options for garage width) 

    -bsmt floor opt#2.spd (including bldg. options for garage width)

Bill Wimberley
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One of the main issues with using Building Options is what do you do about your borders and Elevations? Do you keep sq ft and plan title notes for each and every permutation? What if you get the notes for one version mixed in with the notes for another version? Do you keep all of the different Front elevations in a single file, separated out using Building Options? There are just soooo many things you have to consider and plan for and maintain when you try to keep multiple versions all in the same project file.

My recommendation is to keep each separate version as a completely separate project. Draw up the version that has the most commonality to all the rest of the versions then make copies of that folder, renaming them to represent the various versions. For instance create a Base version of a plan and call it something like Tofino Elev A. Then copy that folder and name the folder Tofino Elev B. Make your changes to the plan to reflect the new version. Make sure to rename the Project files to match.

For Elev C select whichever plan is closest to what Elev C will be and make a copy to Elev C. Repeat for each version you want to create.

So in Windows your folders would look like:

Tofino 1 Story

   Tofino 1 Story Elev A

        Tofino 1 Story Elev A.spp

        Border.spd

        First Floor.spd

        etc.....

   Tofino 1 Story Elev B

        Tofino 1 Story Elev B.spp

        Border.spd

        First Floor.spd

        etc.....

   Tofino 1 Story Elev C

        Tofino 1 Story Elev C.spp

        Border.spd

        First Floor.spd

        etc.....

Tofino 2 Story

   Tofino 2 Story Elev A

        Tofino 2 Story Elev A.spp

        Border.spd

        First Floor.spd

        etc.....

Look at it like this. When you actually build a house you don't keep all of your customer files in one file folder. You separate them out. Trying to keep all of your versions of a particular plan is like throwing all of your customer files in a box. Maybe you have them stapled together but you still have to dig through all of the other papers in the box to find the one you want. And if the staples come loose you really have a mess.

DamonB
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Bill,

Just so I'm clear. Does this mean that I must create a plan with each combination of main and second floor?

I have 4 main floors and 3 second floors. That alone is 21 combinations. Times that by 5 elevations and I have 105 plans instead of 1 plan w/ 108 options.

I could incorporate all the garage width/elevations into the building options which would keep it at 21 plans. Is it not possible to swap out one 2ndflr.spd for another? Have one source drawing for each floor option and assemble this somehow? Obviously my base plans have more options than a BIM solution may be able to deal with in a easy way. 

 

Thanks very much for your help,  

 

 

Bill Wimberley
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Just so I'm clear. Does this mean that I must create a plan with each combination of main and second floor?

Can you put every possible combination in a single Project? Yes. Should you? In my opinion, absolutely not.

The sheer complexity of doing something like that would make trying to maintain that single project file a full time job.

I understand why someone would want to use Building Options. For instance you have a portion of the plan that is common to every plan. If you need to make a change to that portion then that same change is made to all other plans.

The problem is that....when you make a change to one it can affect all other plans. So you have a catch 22. You want to easily make a change and have it permeate to all the other plans. Sort of like using AutoCad X-refs. In theory that is a cool idea. In practice it is a nightmare.

And what about elevations? You have one Front drawing file with 108 different drawings in it. So if you decide to make a change that affects a number of elevations you have to go through each and every one of them to make sure that you make the same change. If you miss one then you have a plan and an elevation that do not match.

Then consider your roofs. You have to have a different roof for each and every option and elevation. And on and on it goes.

And what happens if the file becomes corrupted? For instance you have a power spike while you are saving the file. Will you be able to remember every change you made to all 108 options between the last file save and the corrupted version?

On the other hand if you have everything as separate projects then you can make a change to that version and it won't affect the other versions. You don't have to make sure that you have the correct roof assigned to the correct version of the house. You don't have to make sure that the elevations all match up correctly. If you want to change something on Elev A then just make those changes in the individual projects. Sure you would have to go through each project and make the change but you would have to do that with the Building Options version too. You can use Copy and Paste to make changes easier.

Ok, so lets look at something else. Suppose you get run over by a truck. The next guy to come along and open the file will have a heart attack! He just wants to find Plan 1256 Elev A and print it out. If everything is in separate Projects he opens that project and he's good to go. If everything is one project he will have to know how to select the appropriate Building Option. And if he wants to make a change he has to understand how you have the Building Options set up and how to assign his changes to the appropriate Building Option. YOU may understand how everything works because it is your system. But if someone else opens the file then they would be lost.

I could go on and on about all the problems and complexities associated with trying to keep everything in one Project. I've been using SoftPlan since V10 and in all that time I have never used Building Options other than on a few occasions where I wanted to show a client an optional kitchen or bath configuration. Once they made their selection I deleted the other options and made the selected option the default. For standard plans and all their various versions I always keep them separated into separate folders.

I understand what you are wanting to do. Honestly, I do. You want to make everything work as efficiently as possible while maintaining your plans. But I think you will find that separate Projects is much easier to maintain than trying to use Building Options to keep everything in one folder.

trogers
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Have same issue

I have found the same issue as well. In my scenario, i agree with Damon.  Working for a production builder we create plans with numerous elevations and options.  It makes much more sense to use options in this manner when working with different elevations.  I create an option for each different front elevation.  By doing this I can draw the elevation on just that layer but if we decide to add a option to the back of the house (say a keeping room) then I only have to draw it once instead of however many elevations I have separately.  Granted it takes a little more time to set it up and thinking through to make it work but it does make it worth the expertise I offer instead of some CAD monkey.  

 

With that said I have found that when I move a wall on a certain option it moves other items on different options.  I am going to lock all the other options so that I am only moving the unlocked options.  

Tom Rogers,AIBD, CPBD