wall_area_no_open not working correctly

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Kratchmer
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wall_area_no_open not working correctly

I have a formula set up to calculate the square footage of the stone needed for stone wall construction.  I have an entryway that is about 13' high, about 8' wide, and has an arched opening.  Its part of the front porch entry into the house. 

 

The formula is set up as the Wall > Wall type. 

 

When I use the variable 'area' to calculate the square footage, it shows about 130 sq ft, which is correct, not taking the opening into consideration. 

When I use 'wall_area_no_open' (which is what I need...) it doesn't show up at all in my report, so I'm guessing it's coming up with zero, or less than zero. 

Just to test, I also tried using just 'open_area' variable.. and it correctly calculates the area of the opening. 

 

The variable 'area' minus 'open_area' should equal the value returned by 'wall_area_no_open', but it does not.  What gives?   Am I speaking spanish?  Hope this makes sense.  The value I need (wall_area_no_open) is not working correctly;  it won't return a value.  The 'area' variable and the 'open_area' work correctly though.

 

 

Bill Wimberley
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Too little information

You didn't give enough information to go on here.

How did you create your formula? Did you create it from scratch or did you simply make a copy of the Brick formula and modify it to look for Stone? Making a copy of the Brick formulas would be the easiest way to make a Stone formula. Is the formula looking for the same Stone as that which is in the wall definition? Are you using the Accumulate calculation method? If so, are you accumulating to a Stone formula that is further down the list than the Accumulate formula? When you enter the variable 'wall_area_no_open' are you manually typing it out or are you selecting it from the list and then clicking Add to Formula? When you tried using the variables 'area' and 'open area' did you use them in the same formula that did not work with 'wall_area_no_open' or did you try them in a different formula? If you used them in a different formula is that formula looking for the exact same materials and is it configured exactly the same?

'wall_area_no_open' should work correctly. I would be looking at some other misconfiguration within the formula or in the wall definition such as possibly having SoftList unchecked for the stone.

Bill is the owner and maintainer of SoftPlanTuts.com

Kratchmer
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I copied the brick formula

I copied the brick formula and changed attributes to match what I need.  Attached are a screenshot of my wall definition, my 'Stone (Wall)' formula (which accumulates into the 'Stone' formula.), and a screenshot of the final 'Stone' formula.   And I took screenshots of the wall properties and the opening properties.   I have the correct sequence number listed in my report.  Softplan is checked on both the wall and the opening.

 

To test to make sure my formulas and accumulation was working, i replaced 'wall_area_no_open' with 'area', and it generated 114.03 sqft on my report.  I then went back into the same formula and just to see, I changed 'area' to 'opening_area'.  It generated 60 sqft on my report.  Therefore, using 'wall_area_no_open' should generate 54.03 sq ft on my report.  But it does not.  It doesn't even show up when I use this variable.

 

For all of these instances, I am deleting the previous variable, clicking the question mark, and selecting the new one. 

Bill Wimberley
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Mystery

Well, I have to say that one is a mystery. I tried recreating your wall definition and formula and they worked just fine here. The only suggestion I have is to try deleting and redrawing the wall.

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Kratchmer
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I don't know why this is an

I don't know why this is an issue, but I figured out what the issue is.  I redrew the wall and the opening.  I adjusted the height/width of the wall and opening.  Before I raked the top of the wall to fit the roof, I accidentally prematurely generated my report... and it worked using 'wall_area_no_open', giving me a square footage of 38 or something.  As soon as I went back and raked the top of the wall to fit the roof, and regenerated the report, the stone stopped calculating.  Doesn't even show up on my report.  Something about raking the top of the wall that it doesn't like.  Raking the wall to fit the roof makes the wall's surface area larger...   and yet instead of increasing my square footage, somehow it's messing up the calculation so it doesn't work at all.

Bill Wimberley
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Buggy?

I would send that to SoftPlan to let them know there is a bug in the calculation when using that particular wall definition with a raked top. You might try rebuilding the wall definition with a stud wall inside instead of 13" of solid stone. Stone, stud wall, stone.

Kratchmer
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I sent a report to SoftList

I sent a report to SoftList tech support.  Thanks